Selling to Engineers

In a recent coffee shop meeting, we were in conversation with a business marketing consultant with considerable success with some large corporations that most of us would recognize. He volunteered the following, “…one thing I hate to do, and that is to sell. Okay, I really hate that so much. And that’s because (when I am selling) I don’t feel that I’m being truthful. As much as I want to be truthful. I believe that I’m always saying what I think they want to hear in order to get the sale. And I don’t like that.”

What he came to believe was that he is too direct for typical sales situations. “I will not talk to VPs. If you’re not the CEO with total P&L responsibility, I’m not interested in the conversation…with one exception”. If the people that he’s dealing with are engineers, he can be direct because of their tendency to look for proof and actual solutions. But people who are from other disciplines are more concerned about their career than the well being of the entity that they represent.

“I want to know what their problems are. I don’t really want to hear any good news. If you tell me good news, we’re not going to be successful. Just tell me what your problems are. I’ll fix your problems. And that’s my only way of selling. And it’s always worked; when I have that proper audience. And that’s why it works with engineers because they’re focused on solving problems. They’re focused on getting things to be better and better.”

I (Paul Bunn) found his words to be unusual or at least contrarian. Over the years, I have seldom heard of salespeople who ENJOYED selling to engineers. Until this moment, I didn’t really understand why.


I (Carl Ingalls) have had more experience as a consulting engineer than as a salesperson. In that role, I met quite a few salespeople who seemed to feel at home when selling to engineers. However, I am beginning to understand why so many people find engineers frustrating.


Paul Bunn and Carl Ingalls will discuss this topic, “Selling to Engineers” in an open discussion on Thursday 13 June 2024, as part of our High Probability Selling Community Forum Series. It will be on Zoom, starting at 10:00 AM (USA Eastern Time). If you want to be part of this, please register by providing your full name and email address on this webform. We will then email the Zoom invitation details to you. No charge.

Debunking Common Beliefs about Self and Sales

Sales Cycle Duration

  • Myth: “I have a fixed six-month sales cycle.”
  • Reality: Believing in a fixed sales cycle can create self-fulfilling prophecies where sales approaches are molded around this belief, often resulting in wasted time and effort. Sales cycles can be much shorter if one focuses on engaging with ready-to-buy prospects.

Predicting Client Behavior

  • Myth: “I can predict how prospects will respond based on past experiences.”
  • Reality: Preconceived notions and biases can hinder genuine interactions. Each prospect is unique, and stereotyping them can lead to missed opportunities.

Selling vs. Buying

  • Myth: “Nobody buys insurance; it has to be sold.”
  • Reality: People do buy insurance and other products when they see the value. Creating a buying environment rather than a selling one can lead to more genuine and lasting customer relationships.

Sales Tactics and Terminology

  • Myth: “I must use titles like ‘consultant’ instead of ‘salesperson’ to build trust.”
  • Reality: Authenticity matters more than titles. Being clear, open, and transparent about your intention builds trust more effectively than trying to mask it with different terms.

Approach to Sales Conversations

    • Myth: “Selling is bad; I must not appear to be selling.”
    • Reality: Sales doesn’t have to be manipulative. Honest, respectful conversations where wants and needs are matched with solutions can be beneficial to both parties.

    Customer Appreciation

    • Myth: “My customers don’t appreciate me unless I add value in every interaction.”
    • Reality: Adding value is important, but it should be genuine and relevant. Building trust through consistent, honest interactions can be more valuable than forcing perceived value.

    Letting Go

    • Myth: “Once I have a prospect on the phone, I can’t let them go.”
    • Reality: Respecting a prospect’s time and knowing when to end a call can leave a better impression and increase the chances of future engagement.

    Educational Sales

      • Myth: “I must educate my prospects into buying.”
      • Reality: Prospects who are already informed are more likely to buy. Focusing on understanding their wants and needs rather than just educating can lead to more successful sales.

      Client’s Price Sensitivity

        • Myth: “My customers only buy at the lowest price.”
        • Reality: While price is a factor, it’s not the only one. Value, trust, and service quality play significant roles in purchasing decisions.

        Universal Approach

          • Myth: “I need to apply the entire High Probability Selling (HPS) process to be effective.”
          • Reality: Flexibility within the HPS process allows for adaptation to different contexts and needs, making it more practical and effective.

          Respectful Communication

            • Myth: “Being direct can come off as offensive.”
            • Reality: Being direct, open, and transparent, when done respectfully, can lead to clearer and more productive conversations. It’s about being clear and concise without being rude or overbearing.

              Key Takeaways

              • Challenge and reevaluate commonly held beliefs about sales and client interactions.
              • Adapt and personalize sales approaches to meet the unique needs of each prospect.
              • Focus on creating genuine, respectful, and value-driven interactions.
              • Be flexible and willing to let go of rigid sales processes when necessary.
              • Embrace the power of listening and understanding over merely selling.

              Homework Challenge: Try to go 24 hours without giving any unsolicited opinions. This practice helps in improving active listening and reducing the tendency to dominate conversations with personal biases or unsolicited advice.

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              Overview of High Probability Selling: 3 New Courses for Consultants, Financial Services, and Real Estate

              Who the Overview Courses Are For
              • People who want to have more understanding of the overall framework and context of HPS (and how it’s taught), before they make a larger investment of their time, energy, and money for more comprehensive training courses.
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              • What has changed in HPS over the years
              • Selling Strategy:  The meaning and purpose of selling
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              • The HPS Way of Being
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              Refresher in High Probability Selling – New Course Starts 2024-03-22

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              – Overview of a complete HPS sale
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              – The HPS Way of Being
              – Overview of a complete HPS sale
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              Schedule:  Starts Monday 26 February 2024 at 3:30pm USA Eastern Time.  Two sessions (2 hours each), spaced one week apart, same day of week, same time.  Also see the HPS Calendar for updates. 

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              Inbound Selling Basics: 2024-02-23 Fri

              How to use High Probability Selling (HPS) when a prospective customer contacts you.

              • What is covered in this course.
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              Schedule:  Starts Friday 23 February 2024 at 1:00pm USA Eastern Time.  Three interactive sessions on Zoom, spaced one week apart, same day of week, same time.  Also see the HPS Calendar for updates. 

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              Paul and Carl, 

              Nothing but positive feedback for your Inbound High Probability Selling Course. 

              Since reading the book a few years ago I’d been piecemealing some of the practices together from the original Essence of High Probability Selling class, community forums, and blogs. Now I feel like I have a much firmer grasp on the mindset and the methods of high probability selling.

              I’ll admit, going into the class I thought it would be more of a marketing focus on how to generate inbound calls. I’m really glad it wasn’t. As a Real Estate Broker, the activities I’ve always focused on are taking and selling more listings which requires talking to a lot of people. Most inbound calls I’d get were sign calls, calls from listing ads online, and the occasional return call from a voicemail. By working on the “get” for my scripts during your course and the inbound call framework I’ve doubled down on my outbound calls to get more signs in the ground (listings) and can now confidently handle those inbound calls by being an actual person on the other end of the phone. 

              The focus on inbound calls was extremely valuable for me. My business comes from mostly outbound dialing, so when I’d get an inbound call, I’d find myself freezing and trying to figure out what to say to shift the control of the call back to me. I didn’t realize it but the fear of not knowing what to say had me searching for all sorts of methods to avoid them (recorded messages, call routing, no yard signs, not leaving voicemails etc.). It was simple all along…”How can I help you?” And listen, without trying to sell anything. That simple question along with the qualifying questions you laid out was the two-millimeter shift that I needed to simplify my business. I’ve gotten rid of all the gimmicks just to “scale” which can sometimes be a fancy word for avoidance. 

              Thanks again. I’m looking forward to future courses, continuing to improve, and working towards BEING High Prob. 

              Very best regards,

              Blake


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              Events for 2024-01-29 thru 2024-02-02


              Tuesday, January 30: Open Discussion – “How I Learned to Deliver Consulting Advice in the High Probability Selling Way”

              Date : Tue 30 Jan 2024
              Time: 1:00pm USA Eastern Time
              Presenter: Carl Ingalls, with assistance from Paul Bunn
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              This live and interactive discussion is specifically intended for Consultants, Advisors, and Coaches, but anyone who is interested is welcome to join us. No particular background in HPS is necessary. 


              Wednesday, January 31: HPS Community Forum – The Get

              Date: Wed 31 Jan 2024
              Time: 10:00am USA Eastern Time
              Presenter: Paul Bunn, with assistance from Carl Ingalls
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              Featured topic: More about The Get

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              Thursday, February 1: Open Discussion – Outreach With High Probability Selling – an Introduction

              Date : Thu 1 Feb 2024
              Time: 2:00pm USA Eastern Time
              Presenter: Paul Bunn and Carl Ingalls
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              “Outreach” is the modern term for what we call Prospecting (outbound).

              Anyone who is interested is welcome to join us. No particular background in HPS needed. 


              Friday, February 2: Open Discussion – Delivering Consulting Advice

              Date : Fri 2 Feb 2024
              Time: 10:00am USA Eastern Time
              Presenter: Carl Ingalls, with assistance from Paul Bunn
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              This event is a live discussion covering the same topic as the one on Tue 30 Jan.